tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4986990254141180682.post455922418625196865..comments2023-10-29T03:10:13.856-07:00Comments on SketchUp 3D Challenge: 3D Challenge #074 - PrinterAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17136348376188803041noreply@blogger.comBlogger67125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4986990254141180682.post-36887249336344624452009-03-08T09:50:00.000-07:002009-03-08T09:50:00.000-07:00count me in, it seems like its a fair system.count me in, it seems like its a fair system.randomofodicationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09293225799713600156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4986990254141180682.post-23731337384586677602009-03-08T07:39:00.000-07:002009-03-08T07:39:00.000-07:00I see, I'm willind to do it. And I'm looking forwa...I see, I'm willind to do it. And I'm looking forward to see the users/moderators feedbacks.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17576491510275389115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4986990254141180682.post-15673924611482776002009-03-08T04:54:00.000-07:002009-03-08T04:54:00.000-07:00@moboillethats exactly what it would be. a post in...@moboille<BR/><BR/>thats exactly what it would be. a post in the forums. but it would have the three people you voted for.<BR/><BR/>ie...<BR/><BR/>***************************<BR/>3pt vote: person A<BR/>i liked your use of components but i would have used more textures.<BR/><BR/>2pt vote: person B<BR/>i liked the complexity but i felt that some parts were neglected.<BR/><BR/>1pt vote: person C<BR/>i thought the overall feel of the model was great but i would have liked to have seen more detail.<BR/>********************************henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07216334710830469396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4986990254141180682.post-30936977973701452192009-03-08T03:00:00.000-07:002009-03-08T03:00:00.000-07:00I agree with no.3 . But, we could just leave a com...I agree with no.3 . But, we could just leave a comment here to tell who we have voted for ...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17576491510275389115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4986990254141180682.post-54972226021795301912009-03-07T23:12:00.000-08:002009-03-07T23:12:00.000-08:00i like #3, just because its impossible to swayi like #3, just because its impossible to swayrandomofodicationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09293225799713600156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4986990254141180682.post-40547702373419516922009-03-07T16:37:00.000-08:002009-03-07T16:37:00.000-08:00@ owwlivi can see where you're coming from but the...@ owwliv<BR/><BR/>i can see where you're coming from but the same could be said about ALL the votes. there is some evidence, albeit circumstantial, that points to him giving extra votes to other people than himself around the time as we uncovered him. this means that all the data for the crane-week's polls is tainted and cannot be used as there is no way of knowing which votes are legitimate and which aren't. this means you have no idea how many 'real' votes he (or anyone else) got and therefore cannot award him or anyone else any accurate ranking. <BR/><BR/>the way i see it there are 3 reasonable solutions...<BR/>1) ranking is ignored for this week i.e. nobody wins.<BR/>2) there is a re-vote in the method i suggested (which seems reasonably popular)<BR/>3) an admin judges them (which would be quicker and easier but less democratic)<BR/><BR/>personally i would choose no. 2, but i would be equally happy for no. 3 to be done if it was too much effort.henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07216334710830469396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4986990254141180682.post-58991971549420257072009-03-07T13:13:00.000-08:002009-03-07T13:13:00.000-08:00more on the Papa guy geting all the votes, I think...more on the Papa guy geting all the votes, I think we should asume that some amount of cheating went on hear, Mabey someone felt like geting him in trouble and did the cheating, could be someone he does not even know, just picked the worst Model and gave it all the 40 odd votes.<BR/>that is rather unlikely I'll admit, it was most likely him; anyway I say we give him 2nd or 3rd place and award first place to the person with the next highest number of votes.Winstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04299896873969227125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4986990254141180682.post-68091510736547771762009-03-06T19:44:00.000-08:002009-03-06T19:44:00.000-08:00yay, i agree with henry's idea tooyay, i agree with henry's idea toorandomofodicationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09293225799713600156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4986990254141180682.post-52610568670144387302009-03-06T15:53:00.000-08:002009-03-06T15:53:00.000-08:00I agree with Henry, that sounds like a system that...I agree with Henry, that sounds like a system that would work, especially<BR/>the: "4) you may only vote if you are a regular member or you enter 'this' weeks challenge."<BR/>since most of the challenges are not ones I find attractive but I would still like to vote on them, and I could still be considered a "regular Member".Winstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04299896873969227125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4986990254141180682.post-55632224755417163602009-03-06T06:53:00.000-08:002009-03-06T06:53:00.000-08:00I'm agree with the Henry solution too . Hope it co...I'm agree with the Henry solution too . Hope it could works !Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17576491510275389115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4986990254141180682.post-42587366432066966112009-03-06T04:14:00.000-08:002009-03-06T04:14:00.000-08:00Henry's suggestion is good, I think. More technica...Henry's suggestion is good, I think. More technical rating and also suggestions for beginners to improve their modeling skills.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4986990254141180682.post-70718088285658885132009-03-05T19:10:00.000-08:002009-03-05T19:10:00.000-08:00Well, until a better polling element is developed;...Well, until a better polling element is developed; (if the moderators are willing) I ask that we try henry's proposal. It seems to be the best solution for now.<BR/><BR/>All who agree, please say so.TinkerToyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01370863328923920373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4986990254141180682.post-15240348815658988512009-03-05T18:45:00.000-08:002009-03-05T18:45:00.000-08:00A while back I even contacted some of the Blogspot...A while back I even contacted some of the Blogspot devs inquiring about the polling element. Unfortunately, it hasn't helped us much yet. But someday maybe.<BR/>-LoganC-Loganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03106759307511420626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4986990254141180682.post-27463773174640702012009-03-05T17:54:00.000-08:002009-03-05T17:54:00.000-08:00...but was unable to....but was unable to.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17136348376188803041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4986990254141180682.post-89942755232613756072009-03-05T17:53:00.000-08:002009-03-05T17:53:00.000-08:00@ModsIf this were a Yahoo! Group, the voting issue...@Mods<BR/>If this were a Yahoo! Group, the voting issue would be solved. Their poll system keeps track of votes per user and not through cookies. You must be a member of the group to vote so there is no cheating. It can even say which users voted for each entry. I tried finding a free poll service that does it that way.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17136348376188803041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4986990254141180682.post-66263678241011156852009-03-05T11:23:00.000-08:002009-03-05T11:23:00.000-08:00@ tinkertoyi see what you mean now but i have to s...@ tinkertoy<BR/><BR/>i see what you mean now but i have to say i slightly disagree. i know i must sound like a broken record now, always referring back to the old voting system from the open challenges. but let me list them (as best as i remember them) and see if you agree/disagree with them and if you (or anyone else) can think of possible improvements, if you think their basis is sufficient.<BR/><BR/>***************************<BR/>1) you cannot vote for yourself.<BR/>2) you have 3 votes.<BR/>2i) one vote is worth 3 point.<BR/>2ii)one vote is worth 2 points.<BR/>2iii)one vote is worth 1 point.<BR/>2iv)you may not vote for someone twice<BR/>3) the top 3 people are those with the most points.<BR/>4) you may only vote if you are a regular member or you enter 'this' weeks challenge.<BR/>5) votes will be posted (not anonymously) and each will include at least one point of constructive criticism. <BR/>*************************<BR/><BR/>also something which i felt worked quite well, but might not be very popular was that you were only allowed one final entry. you could make many models and then choose the best one, or even import them into the same file and call them 'one model' but only one was allowed. i felt this made people focus on quality rather than quantity, which, to me, is one of the most important things about being a good artist/sketchupper :P<BR/><BR/>also, point 5 was always very important to me! because it makes you really look at the persons model sometimes to try and find fault with it (especially if its very good). i feel that this would spark more conversation and allow people to exchange ideas making us all benefit even more from the challenges. something that i feel is largely gone from the challenges at this time.henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07216334710830469396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4986990254141180682.post-50345213621590628032009-03-05T10:13:00.000-08:002009-03-05T10:13:00.000-08:00Cool Printer related song:http://www.dumpert.nl/me...Cool Printer related song:<BR/><BR/>http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/422531/8c30605a/printer_jam.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4986990254141180682.post-26171249683193328652009-03-05T09:58:00.000-08:002009-03-05T09:58:00.000-08:00@ henryWhat I meant when I said that a blog entry ...@ henry<BR/><BR/>What I meant when I said that a blog entry vote would stagnate is: <BR/>If only the entrants are allowed to vote and they only have one vote to be used then, those who always vote for themselves would of course waste theirs, and the few that were left (if they deciced to vote) would be the only ones to really decide the winner.<BR/><BR/><BR/>But... perhaps that would be a good way to automatically screen the 'judging panel'. Those who always vote for themselves (eliminated by voting on their own model) are not fit to judge, and those that remain may be fit to judge the models fairly.<BR/>This could only work if you had to make a model for the challenge to get a vote. Still this could be abused the same way as the current method because; all of the illegitimate votes are coming from some Google blogger ID and they each could just make some lame old wagon to get a vote to be used unfairly. <BR/><BR/>This is why an elcted panel is the only way to make the judging fair. But then we would probably end up with lobbying and bribes and other crap like that. Those who only want to win, and just aren't good enough to earn it, will find some way to abuse any system.TinkerToyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01370863328923920373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4986990254141180682.post-72172982070041863592009-03-05T02:44:00.000-08:002009-03-05T02:44:00.000-08:00If a voting board is to be made I would like to be...If a voting board is to be made I would like to be in it!<BR/><BR/>1. I rate all models fairly when I rate <BR/><BR/>2. I dont care to win I just like the challenge<BR/><BR/>3. I only wish to inspire beginners to be as good as possible and to give a helping hand with any problems.<BR/><BR/>4. Well hell I am Zorbo!<BR/><BR/>(cloudedzero)<BR/><BR/>AKA erotinaka/ Deathcloude<BR/>yeah I am still that dam good<BR/><BR/>get it dam I won that challenge haha!cloudedzerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13911757016904827531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4986990254141180682.post-42444667608716491732009-03-04T13:28:00.000-08:002009-03-04T13:28:00.000-08:00@ Vrjunior.as far as im aware there is nothing tha...@ Vrjunior.<BR/><BR/>as far as im aware there is nothing that says you can use a renderer. but it is the model you upload to the warehouse that is being voted on. not any renders you produce.<BR/><BR/>in the admin post at the very top of this thread the 4th paragraph answers your question about backgrounds.<BR/><BR/>@tinkertoy<BR/>now that i think about it more carefully i can see why e-mail voting wouldn't work.<BR/><BR/>however, im not sure exaaactly what you mean by 'blog entry votes would stagnate'.henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07216334710830469396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4986990254141180682.post-59118438800640333672009-03-04T11:47:00.000-08:002009-03-04T11:47:00.000-08:00Since the dead horse is still being beaten; I may ...Since the dead horse is still being beaten; I may as well get in another hit: <BR/><BR/>A great solution to this would be for people to stop being selfish by voting for themselves (wether ligitimate or many illegitimate votes). If your model is truly the best; others will recognize it and vote for yours. I have never voted for myself and feel that when someone votes for themself and this is what causes them to win, it is an empty victory. Apparently not many people in the world today have this much chivalry or are bound by any shred of morals, so I present this:<BR/><BR/>The only real solution to this voting abuse is to eliminate this very abusable voting poll system, and for a panel of judges, which rationally should be the moderators, to critique and rate the entry models. If said panel were to accept outside votes; those votes or suggestions should only be considered if that person has submitted a challenge entry model. Such a system may still be subject to some manipulation, but not much. The e-mail suggestion would be just as manipulatable as the current system. And a blog entry vote would stagnate because everyone votes for themselves.<BR/><BR/>The fact that the voting is definitely being abused and has not been stopped, is driving many modelers away from the challenge. I'm sure many of you have noticed that. <BR/>I believe this problem has kept the challenge blog from growing into what it should be, and from gaining popularity across the warehouse. I know that the moderators do not have the time or resources to do much about the problems. Still... some deligation or direction must have come or may still be coming from Google. This being the case; are those above aware of this issue or do they even care? Why have they not provided a solution or at least some funding so that the moderators could remedy the situation or be reimbursed for their time spent judging? Maybe SktchUp has already achieved critical mass and Google doesn't feel the need to promote it any further. Maybe the only reason we even have a challenge is by the grace of the moderators.<BR/>If a judging panel were to be set up for the challenge; those officiating would have to be dedicated and diligent to the weekly challenges, and unbiased. This would exclude those who enter the challenge from judging unless they were not allowed to vote on their own entry.<BR/><BR/>I don't know if we should hope that anything will ever be done to rectify the situation, and if the voting system for 'the other sketchup 3d challenge' is not different than this one; it will never leave the ground.<BR/>I hope that I have'nt used too many big words for everybody to understand and if I am disregarded, I don't reallt care anymore. This issue is exhausting and unless I fund the project myself, I dont see it changing.TinkerToyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01370863328923920373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4986990254141180682.post-36658887278737438352009-03-04T10:19:00.000-08:002009-03-04T10:19:00.000-08:00Hi. This is my first time in the challenge so I ha...Hi. This is my first time in the challenge so I have a couple questions. First off, are you allowed to use rendering plugins? I was going to use podium but I didn't want to risk getting disqualified. Second, should you usually present your model with a background? I did because I thought it would look nicer.Samuel Scheinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09179721135720179728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4986990254141180682.post-7911377336361089082009-03-04T03:00:00.000-08:002009-03-04T03:00:00.000-08:00Henry (on blackberry)We could make it so that you ...Henry (on blackberry)<BR/><BR/>We could make it so that you can only vote if you've entered how it used to be.<BR/><BR/>Worked when we did open challenges. <BR/><BR/>Also we could vote in the comments rather than via email.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4986990254141180682.post-65457881147693203302009-03-04T00:57:00.000-08:002009-03-04T00:57:00.000-08:00Rmemeber people who are not in the Warehouse and w...Rmemeber people who are not in the Warehouse and would vote in the challenge too.COSEDIMARCO©https://www.blogger.com/profile/14832759101174338659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4986990254141180682.post-54586211643778990522009-03-04T00:20:00.000-08:002009-03-04T00:20:00.000-08:00At present we have: “one PC = one vote” and we don...At present we have: “one PC = one vote” and we dont know who is voting. <BR/>With the e-mail system (in my opinion, the mails should be signed with the name used in 3d warehouse to rate or to upload models) at least the moderators team will know who is voting and also his/her background in 3d warehouse. So I agree with the e-mail voting system. It would be desirable to include a comment with the reasons for the votealfrebilbaohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03181272386785414835noreply@blogger.com